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Title: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on June 27, 2011, 11:13:01 PM
Use this Topic for any electronic diagrams related to FE experiments
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on June 28, 2011, 12:31:47 AM
Ervin - Bedini    -     Very useful schematic.
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on June 28, 2011, 12:39:10 AM
Electron pump.
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on June 28, 2011, 01:15:23 AM
Very efficient and simple motor coil driver with recovery. Leave SW1 open until the system has maximum speed.
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: shmandi on June 30, 2011, 09:42:42 PM
hello Romero
just joined this forum
was expecting some more details of your muller motor. are you still working on it? any new discovery?
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on July 01, 2011, 01:06:56 AM
I will upload other info regarding different experiments, Muller subject is closed.
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: shmandi on July 04, 2011, 03:10:16 PM
thanks for answer
but is it working? i am thinking about building it, just need to gather as much information as possible
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on July 04, 2011, 03:47:34 PM
thanks for answer
but is it working? i am thinking about building it, just need to gather as much information as possible
The setup for Muller device is not a simple one as it looks. As I said I am not talking about that device anymore, it is up to you if you decide to build it or not.If I say it is working I am acused that I am a liar if I say it is not working I am a liar too.... X wires...
I will post pictures and videos with my devices but I will stay away from giving any advice to anyone. Many times in the past when I dicovered something and shared it, most of the people replicated and never succed.That puts me in a bad position.
Many 'silly' ideas I have are not understood and are considered just silly.
There are many ways to get started in trying to achieve OU, many simple ones and with low budget.

Best regards,
Romero
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: scratchrobot on July 04, 2011, 09:01:46 PM
thanks for answer
but is it working? i am thinking about building it, just need to gather as much information as possible
The setup for Muller device is not a simple one as it looks. As I said I am not talking about that device anymore, it is up to you if you decide to build it or not.If I say it is working I am acused that I am a liar if I say it is not working I am a liar too.... X wires...
I will post pictures and videos with my devices but I will stay away from giving any advice to anyone. Many times in the past when I dicovered something and shared it, most of the people replicated and never succed.That puts me in a bad position.
Many 'silly' ideas I have are not understood and are considered just silly.
There are many ways to get started in trying to achieve OU, many simple ones and with low budget.

Best regards,
Romero

Like the replications not everybody is the same, I can now understand your point of view but not everybody is blaming you. There will always be people blaming you if they not get the same result as you do. I really hope you will change your mind in the future about giving advice and teach us some of the ways to get started so we can experiment together and show the results.

If you believe in a better world let's do it together  ;)
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: shmandi on July 04, 2011, 09:56:49 PM
I totally agree with you. have been through enough in my life to know better than blame someone else for my own failures.  you can't just replicate something by somebody elses plan and expect it to work on first try. it usually takes the same path to achive the same results. the difference that someone can teach you if had already succeeded and tell you what is worth trying and what didn't work for him
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: darkwanderer on July 05, 2011, 08:08:25 PM
thanks for answer
but is it working? i am thinking about building it, just need to gather as much information as possible
The setup for Muller device is not a simple one as it looks. As I said I am not talking about that device anymore, it is up to you if you decide to build it or not.If I say it is working I am acused that I am a liar if I say it is not working I am a liar too.... X wires...
I will post pictures and videos with my devices but I will stay away from giving any advice to anyone. Many times in the past when I dicovered something and shared it, most of the people replicated and never succed.That puts me in a bad position.
Many 'silly' ideas I have are not understood and are considered just silly.
There are many ways to get started in trying to achieve OU, many simple ones and with low budget.

Best regards,
Romero

"There are many ways to get started in trying to achieve OU, many simple ones and with low budget."

İf you have any diagram can you post it romero for the beginners to understand the basics of FE. Please i don't want any link from overunity or other forums because i've been following them since nearly 2 months and they mixed, screwed up everything there...

Best wishes...
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on July 05, 2011, 10:13:09 PM
@darkwanderer
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"There are many ways to get started in trying to achieve OU, many simple ones and with low budget."

İf you have any diagram can you post it romero for the beginners to understand the basics of FE. Please i don't want any link from overunity or other forums because i've been following them since nearly 2 months and they mixed, screwed up everything there...

Best wishes...
[/quote]
At the moment I am testing many setups canditates for OU. Nothing is finished and I still have a lot of work to do (months not days).
As i go along I will post some info and pictures, maybe some videos but no schematics as I am not sure what the final version will be and I am not sure what the plans will be...
Please all people, use General Discusion for this kind of talk  

Best Regards,
Romero
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Collapsingfield on July 06, 2011, 10:36:09 AM
Very useful circuit for rotating and solidstate experiments. The left half is a buffer capacitor and a variable voltage high current shunt. You can regulate the voltage in the capacitor with sinking (heating) by FET. It is needed to stay in the best working range.
The next half is a DC/DC converter to convert the output voltage to the appr. load. It can get the current paralel the FET, but the capacitor voltage will not change still the DC/DC converter doesn't uses too much. Any additional watt will kill/change the working state. This way you can test the systems more flexible  (constant RPM, or "load"). Working range: input 3-36,4V, output 1,25-34V - 3A

Regards
Collapsingfiled
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on July 06, 2011, 11:28:01 AM
Thank you Collapsingfield for the circuit.
Regards,
Romero
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Wings on July 07, 2011, 03:45:13 PM
informations from:

http://freenrg.info/

 ;)

Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on July 07, 2011, 04:07:31 PM
@Wings
The circuit you posted is incomplete.one side of the FWBR is not connected properly, please have a look.
Romero
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on July 08, 2011, 01:23:22 PM
This driver circuit I tested myself and I find it the best so far.
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: darkwanderer on July 08, 2011, 07:55:54 PM
This driver circuit I tested myself and I find it the best so far.
Romero I have a question about your circuit diagram. Why you put 2 mosfet instead of 1?
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on July 09, 2011, 12:22:21 AM
This driver circuit I tested myself and I find it the best so far.
Romero I have a question about your circuit diagram. Why you put 2 mosfet instead of 1?
the switching is much better if both ends of the coil have a transistor also the recovery is superior, closer to a mechanical switch.This way we can send the recovery back to source directly.
The circuit is copied from the Neogen Project.
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: keykhin on July 09, 2011, 07:07:19 AM
This driver circuit I tested myself and I find it the best so far.
Romero I have a question about your circuit diagram. Why you put 2 mosfet instead of 1?
When you switch off both rails at the same time, the coil remains free to ring and you create "electron vacuum" - negentropy. You put the electrons in a different charged state (cold electricity) and that may lead to overunity  ;)
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: darkwanderer on July 09, 2011, 10:27:13 AM
This driver circuit I tested myself and I find it the best so far.
Romero I have a question about your circuit diagram. Why you put 2 mosfet instead of 1?
When you switch off both rails at the same time, the coil remains free to ring and you create "electron vacuum" - negentropy. You put the electrons in a different charged state (cold electricity) and that may lead to overunity  ;)

For example, you connect your circuit to your battery and you want to cut his power what will you do? Will you disconnect (+) (-) together? I think disconnecting only 1 is pretty enough. Kirchoff laws rule  ;). Last things about this circuit it's not the best. There are lots of useless things and it's not very efficient.

Regards...
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: darkwanderer on July 09, 2011, 11:02:35 AM
Here you go the better one.
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on July 09, 2011, 11:56:44 AM
@darkwanderer
it works with your modified circuit too but better try it my way and then see the difference.We are not looking just to drive the coil but to capture the best BEMF.

Romero
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: keykhin on July 09, 2011, 01:05:56 PM
@ darkwanderer, here we're not dealing with laws of classic physics, so maybe the law of Kirchhoff will not apply in this case.
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: darkwanderer on July 09, 2011, 02:39:02 PM
@ darkwanderer, here we're not dealing with laws of classic physics, so maybe the law of Kirchhoff will not apply in this case.

Come on  ;D you make me laugh here...

All right i think i have to explain everything...

The first diagram below shows the current way to drive high-side mosfet as i draw red.

The circuit has 2 problems here:

1-)When you try to charge mosfet's gate you are reducing the coils voltage.(second uploaded image)

2-)When you try to discharge mosfet's gate you cannot discharge the gate capacitance.(third uploaded image) So you just can't turn off the mosfet. It stays open. If the mosfet going OFF state then what can I say, god likes you :)

I don't see any other law here? If you can please tell us...

@romero

If your drive circuit works too fast you'll never get maximum BEMF. Because the coil voltage will be lower so Vcoil/Rcoil=Icoil
the amp on your coil will be lower. So the energy stored in your coil L*I*I/2 will be lower.According to this equation your BEMF will be less.I don't know what's your frequency or anything else. And if your mosfet's gate stay at low voltage you'll have heat problem.That's all I can say by looking your circuit...
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: citfta on July 09, 2011, 03:15:07 PM
@ darkwanderer,

           The MC3415 is a mosfet driver chip.  It is designed to be used just exactly like it is shown in the circuit.  You are only showing the on side of the chip.  There is also an off side that will discharge the gate.  The chip also has a built in hysteresis circuit to ensure quick on and off times.


           My own testing has also proven that turning off both sides of the coil will yield much greater output than only switching one side.  John Bedini has also proven this with his testing.  Please test it for yourself and you will see the difference.


Respectfully, Carroll
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on July 09, 2011, 03:24:21 PM
@ darkwanderer, here we're not dealing with laws of classic physics, so maybe the law of Kirchhoff will not apply in this case.

Come on  ;D you make me laugh here...

All right i think i have to explain everything...

The first diagram below shows the current way to drive high-side mosfet as i draw red.

The circuit has 2 problems here:

1-)When you try to charge mosfet's gate you are reducing the coils voltage.(second uploaded image)

2-)When you try to discharge mosfet's gate you cannot discharge the gate capacitance.(third uploaded image) So you just can't turn off the mosfet. It stays open. If the mosfet going OFF state then what can I say, god likes you :)

I don't see any other law here? If you can please tell us...

@romero

If your drive circuit works too fast you'll never get maximum BEMF. Because the coil voltage will be lower so Vcoil/Rcoil=Icoil
the amp on your coil will be lower. So the energy stored in your coil L*I*I/2 will be lower.According to this equation your BEMF will be less.I don't know what's your frequency or anything else. And if your mosfet's gate stay at low voltage you'll have heat problem.That's all I can say by looking your circuit...

you'll  see that theory is many times proved wrong in practice.
What I am saying is that my personal testing showed better results using this circuit and the mosfets are not even getting warm, hot, no way... I will use a simpler circuit just with a mosfet if that will be better, I will prefer the most simple circuit and no IC if possible.The voltage drop via diodes should not be acounted that way, I have a different view about that but difficult to explain it.
I don't like my systems to run too fast, so many times lower speed was much better than any high speed and I see that most of the replicators are looking to get high speed - that is wrong in my opinion.
This should not create any kind of dispute here, we should apreciate any info comming from anyone.

Best regards,
Romero
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: darkwanderer on July 09, 2011, 04:27:03 PM
@ darkwanderer,

           The MC3415 is a mosfet driver chip.  It is designed to be used just exactly like it is shown in the circuit.  You are only showing the on side of the chip.  There is also an off side that will discharge the gate.  The chip also has a built in hysteresis circuit to ensure quick on and off times.

Respectfully, Carroll

I'm saying that chip cannot discharge the upper mosfet. See for yourself Carroll i'm not talking with the ideas coming out of nowhere I'm talking with the datasheet information. As you can see with the image below that there's no such circuit like that.

The second image show two independent drive circuit.One is for high-side one is for low-side. If you don't want to see drive circuit effects on your load, you must use a drive circuit like that. Please don't say that wrong circuits work better. I'm saying this because I'm working professionally on power electronics It's my job.If you don't care It's ok go ahead like that.

If you don't believe in me maybe you will believe another persons circuit. Look for the third attachement.
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: citfta on July 09, 2011, 04:55:31 PM
Ok darkwanderer I will concede the IR2111 is a better choice for a high side and low side driver chip.  However I still do not agree the upper mosfet will not turn off.  When the MC3415 output switches it will ground the gate.  Since the other side of the gate will now be floating if the bottom mosfet has already turned off then the gate will actually be reversed biased and will thus turn off. If the bottom mosfet is a little slower to turn off then the gate will be discharged through the coil and lower mosfet.  Either way the upper mosfet will turn off. 

Respectfully, Carroll
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: keykhin on July 09, 2011, 08:48:43 PM
Quote from darkwanderer: "I'm saying that chip cannot discharge the upper mosfet"

That's the reason I always use complementary mosfets like in the schematic below. It works perfect, the transistors don't have heat sinks and I use it for ages without any problems. I know, Romero will say he doesn't like to use so many transistors, but sometime they do the job :D
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: keykhin on July 09, 2011, 09:19:26 PM
@ Romero, Darkwanderer has right when he says the gate of the upper transistor is not well controlled and can lead to losses by heat. And keep in mind, the gate needs a voltage between 12 and 18 volts to turn on the mosfet and has four stages. But it's more important to know how to turn it off which is a back tracking of turn on stages. There are a lot of dedicated integrated circuits for this job, but I rather use discrete components. Once you understand that, you can make "wonders". Here is a link to a lot of tricks "Design And Application Guide For High Speed MOSFET Gate Drive Circuits": http://focus.ti.com/lit/ml/slup169/slup169.pdf
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on July 09, 2011, 11:25:18 PM
@ Romero, Darkwanderer has right when he says the gate of the upper transistor is not well controlled and can lead to losses by heat. And keep in mind, the gate needs a voltage between 12 and 18 volts to turn on the mosfet and has four stages. But it's more important to know how to turn it off which is a back tracking of turn on stages. There are a lot of dedicated integrated circuits for this job, but I rather use discrete components. Once you understand that, you can make "wonders". Here is a link to a lot of tricks "Design And Application Guide For High Speed MOSFET Gate Drive Circuits": http://focus.ti.com/lit/ml/slup169/slup169.pdf
I agree, after looking a bit more to the schematic I realized he is right. So far I was lucky and no heat and I have 4 identical circuits built like that but I am using 4422 as driver.
Your schematic is very good but I have never test it and that's why I presented the one I have been using in some projects and tested by me.
I'll try to modify one of the circuits to see if any diference.
At the moment my priority is not the electronics, I am working to put together all parts for another style generator.

Romero
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on July 15, 2011, 09:07:24 PM
Adams motor/generator
Important info.
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: keykhin on July 16, 2011, 06:04:36 PM
HOW TO BUILD SOLID-STATE ELECTRICAL OVER-UNITY DEVICES
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: David on July 19, 2011, 02:01:55 PM
Romero, what do you think about this picture below?
David
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: DeepCut on September 26, 2011, 06:55:33 PM
Adams motor/generator
Important info.


Hey that's my Zip file :)

I'm glad you spotted it a lot of people missed it when i posted it !
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on December 10, 2011, 12:55:13 PM
This simple circuit is really working good. To drive a flyback replace the capacitors with smaller ones to increase frequency.
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: sinergicus on January 05, 2012, 03:14:17 PM
Very efficient and simple motor coil driver with recovery. Leave SW1 open until the system has maximum speed.
(http://underservice.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2.0;attach=9;image)
Regarding this schematic  I have  some unclarities: the PNP 2N2955 transistor , from my understanding powering  the coil .From datasheet   I see , is a power transistor
100V and 15 Amps.   The replacement option mentioned by you  in schematic is BC 559  30 V  at 100 ma...this is not  a mistake ? that little transistor  with low amps and volts parameters  will support to powering a motor  coil  ?
Title: Re: Schematics - Diagrams
Post by: Romero on January 05, 2012, 05:49:45 PM
Very efficient and simple motor coil driver with recovery. Leave SW1 open until the system has maximum speed.
(http://underservice.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2.0;attach=9;image)
Regarding this schematic  I have  some unclarities: the PNP 2N2955 transistor , from my understanding powering  the coil .From datasheet   I see , is a power transistor
100V and 15 Amps.   The replacement option mentioned by you  in schematic is BC 559  30 V  at 100 ma...this is not  a mistake ? that little transistor  with low amps and volts parameters  will support to powering a motor  coil  ?
there is no mistake, I used bc559 with 3 volt input for a small coil/rotor and worked just fine.
Romero
Title: voltage regulator oscillator
Post by: gnino on January 20, 2012, 04:45:04 PM
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jonnydavro post this video schematic are inside

i think could be usefull in varius project

p.s. off topic

thanks for your work Romero i replicate first trumpet waveform video at first try
Title: Re: voltage regulator oscillator
Post by: Romero on January 20, 2012, 05:24:56 PM

jonnydavro post this video schematic are inside

i think could be usefull in varius project

p.s. off topic

thanks for your work Romero i replicate first trumpet waveform video at first try
thank you, it is really nice circuit. I wonder if it works with other types of voltage regulators.

Romero